Compare that with a .22 LR which can drop 18 inches or … Check out 17 HMR vs 17 WSM. The .17 HMR 17 grain bullet drops the slowest and has a much flatter trajectory than the .22 LR. It totally stomps the .22 LR, and even offers significantly better ballistics than the popular 17 HMR. I liked the hmr for its flat trajectory compared to a .22lr and it is very accurate. The new speedy cartridge is based on—of all things—a .27-caliber nail gun blank. The ammo boxes are big and bulky compared with 17 HMR boxes. The muzzle velocities generated by the.17 Hornet run considerably slower than the.17 Remington—3650 fps for the 20-grain load, and 3870 fps for the lighter 15.5-grain NTX load from Hornady—yet the pressures, barrel wear and fouling are also less than those associated with the larger-cased.17 Remington. Find the Hunting Gear guy on YouTube. 17WSM Firearm Information. That makes for some difference in the field, with the HMR granting an MPBR of 165 yards, whereas the WSM can do it with 205 yards (I’m running calculations for gopher-sized targets). But you are not buying only one cartridge; you will buy hundreds or thousands of cartridges. It also had a flatter trajectory than the .22 Magnum, but all is not as it seems. Hornady was the first supplier of .17 HMR ammunition, but within two years CCI, Federal, and Remington all adopted the caliber. Looking for previous installments of our "Head to Head" series? Ammo price for both is pretty high -- although if you compare the .22 versions of the same cartridges, the .17 HMR isn't all that bad compared to the .22 WMR, whereas the .17 Mach 2 is way … I was able to get hits with the .17 HMR, but the .17 WSM was much easier. Muzzlelover Member. Jard Inc Announces their New J71 – 17WSM AR15 Rifle. Mag.• .243 Winchester vs. 6mm Remington• 7x57mm Mauser vs. 7mm-08 Remington• .25-06 Remington vs. .257 Weatherby Magnum• .338 Winchester vs. .375 H&H Magnum• .30-30 Winchester vs. .35 Remington• .257 Roberts vs. .250-3000 Savage• .270 Winchester vs. .280 Remington• .35 Whelen vs. 9.3x62mm Mauser• .416 Rigby vs. .416 Remington Magnum• .308 Winchester vs. .30-06 Springfield• .22 Nosler vs. .224 Valkyrie• .300 Win. Not that there were any flies on the .17 HMR we had at our disposal; the group of us were invited by Federal ammunition and Savage rifles to test some new ammunition, and we were certainly putting it all through its paces. With a 100-yard zero, the 20-grain .17 WSM bullet drops but 1.2 inches at 150 yards and 4.1 inches at 200 yards, giving a very usable trajectory from a rimfire rifle. Ammo costs per box of 50 run $12 to $13 for 17 HMR, about $1 less for.22 WMR, and $2 to $3 more for.17 WSM. The easy rimfire is the HMR, partly because ammo is so available, and partly because the A17 ammo in a bolt rifle comes pretty close to .17 WSM ballistics. But is it fast enough? Born from the wildcat cartridge community in 2002, the round was developed specifically with the goal of achieving the flattest bullet trajectory possible. Compared to the other rimfires on this list, the .17 Hornady Magnum Rimfire (HMR) is the youngest by a long shot. It totally stomps the .22 LR, and even offers significantly better ballistics than the popular 17 HMR. Get the American Hunter Insider newsletter for at-a-glance access to industry news, gear, gun reviews, videos and more—delivered directly to your Inbox. Most rimfire rifle builders chamber for both. The .17 HMR. But, if you really want a high quality little tack driver with an exceptional trigger, the CZ 527 17 Hornet is an amazing little round. As illustrated in the chart,.17 HMR Hornady Magnum Rimfire rounds - on average - achieve a velocity of about 2480 feet per second (fps) while.17 WSM Winchester Super Magnum rounds travel at a velocity of 3000 fps. 17 Mach 2 is based on 22 LR, which uses a heeled bullet: that is, the case is the same diameter as the bullet of the parent case. Hornady Varmint .17 HMR $13.99 brownells.com Hornady Varmint .17 HMR $12.99 cabelas.com The new, hyper-velocity cartridge was an instant success, and even though the tiny bullet was extremely sensitive to wind drift, many hunters flocked to the gun shops for a new cartridge to … .17 HMR is a relatively modern cartridge offering. Click on a term to search for related topics. Hornady was the first supplier of .17 HMR ammunition, … by Philip Massaro - It was one of several attempts to produce a rimfire round that could duplicate the performance of the 5mm Remington Rimfire Magnum of the early 1970’s. The .17 WSM is not as solidly established but, based on potential, certainly should be. It is not much louder than the .17 hmr. One of my favorites is the .222 Remington (not the magnum version but the original). All said, I like the performance of the .17 WSM over the HMR, in spite of the additional cost; it’s a speedy cartridge that is well-suited to a prairie dog town, the woodchuck field or the coyote woods. That .17 Winchester Super Magnum was wonderfully accurate, and proved to be a fully capable varmint cartridge, even at longer distances. We will be discussing about their ballistic performances, which is a better choice for plinking, small game, and varmint hunting. But the 17 HMR does not send ground squirrels into orbit like the WSM does. But one thing is common, you have to buy a perfect gun scope to shoot accurately. Buy Ammunition > Rimfire > 17 HMR - Gun City are the leading firearms experts in New Zealand. It was introduced in 2002 and has become the most successful cartridge introduction since the .22 WMR. New Ruger 17 WSM Debuted at the 2015 SHOT Show. The 17 WSM sends a 20 grain bullet out at 3000 fps, whereas the HMR is sending a 17 grain bullet at 2550 fps. Both get 2800-2900 fps, the A17 with 17-grain bullets and the WSM with 20s. You may find many types of gun spaces with many features … I am looking at getting my first 17 rimfire and I can't decide if I should go ahead and get a 17 hmr or wait until summer and get a new 17 wsm.which would you get?It will be used for snakes,coons,turtles and target … Check out 17 HMR vs 17 WSM. ... Btw if you’re just shooting targets inside ~200yds just go HMR and call it a day. Joined May 2, 2012 Messages 621 Location Ohio. I have or have had all three even had all three at the same time and of the three, in a rifle, the 17 WSM easily trumps the 22mag, with any bullet, as well as the 17 HMR, also with any bullet. 17 HMR vs 17 WSM Originally Posted by Joe Krasko. Test number two was5.5-ounce juice cans at 250 meters. Reactions: Bob Nelson 35Whelen, flat8, lcq and 2 others. PX Member. The 17 WSM shoots flatter and has more energy at all distances and substantially more once you start getting past 100 yds than either the 22 mag or 17 HMR. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. I think it would be a bit on the light side for duiker and baboon. NEW 77-Series Ruger 77/17 Chambered in .17 WSMThe … The 17 WSM makes for a decent coyote gun, carrying more energy much further, and the 25 grain bullet gives an option for more weight/penetration of larger varmints. You're gonna put the gun companies right out of business, owning one of them chronographs and all! I might consider a .17 HMR..17 HMR = $12 to $14 a box of 50 2300 FPS in a 20 gr bullet good to 150 to 200 yards.17 Hornet = $20 to $25 a box for 25 rounds 3200 FPS 20 gr bullet - Centerfire and reloadable good to 200 to 250 yards.17 Winchester Super Mag = unknown price or availability 3000 FPS 20 gr bullet - rimfire not reloadable - not avail til april 2013 up to 250 … Selection of the .17 WSM is currently limited to polymer tipped or the Hornady V-Max®. Hornady offers its 20-grain V-Max bullet in their rimfire line and Federal offers a 20-grain polymer tipped bullet for the .17 WSM in their American Eagle line, and it was that load that shot so well on the Rosebud Reservation in South Dakota. Illustration courtesy of CCI. Check out this comparison of three rimfire magnmum cartridges (17 WMS, 17 HMR, and 22 WMR): And now lead-free 17 WSM ammo is available. The .17 HMR is best inside of 150 yards, and is an awful fun cartridge to shoot. I also like the fact that the WSM offers a wider range of bullet weights; that 25-grain load makes a better choice for foxes and coyotes. Display Modes: Linear Mode. Both proved very reliable, with the WSM needing only about 2/3rds the windage. I think the 204 Ruger and 223 Rem are better pure coyote rounds, but the 17 WSM offers a very inexpensive option for coyote control. Check out this calculator. You're gonna put the gun companies right out of business, owning one of them chronographs and all! The .17 HMR was the result of a joint project involving Hornady, Marlin, and Ruger. Check out my article on the 17HMR vs 22LR. I'd combine one of the rimfires with a .17 Hornet. Price the ammo on the WSM and you will have your answer. With lighter, faster projectiles, .17-caliber rimfires such as the .17 WSM and .17 HMR offer some advantages over more established rimfires like the .22 Long Rifle. A 50-count box of Hornady’s 17-grain V-Max loads runs $12.99, which is far cheaper than other centerfire varmint loads—or the .17 WSM—but still much more expensive than many .22 offerings. Re: 17 HMR vs 17 Hornet [Re: Jim_Conrad] #14593762 02/21/20: Joined: Dec … It doesn’t have mass support, and you won’t find boxes of it at your local hardware store. With the ballistics of the 5mm Remmington Rimfire Magnum which was off the market between 1974 and 2008, the designers of the .17 HRM set out to match the performance of … At 200 yards, where the .22 WMR is running on fumes, the .17 WSM is still scooting right along and carries twice the energy of the .17 HMR, itself a long-range rimfire. Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Muzzlelover, Apr 3, 2013. Perhaps it was the downrange performance on that South Dakota hunt that impressed me, or maybe that particular Savage rifle just suited me better that afternoon, but the .17 WSM made a lasting impression on me. 22LR vs 22WMR vs 223 Remington. There is no question that the larger case capacity of the .17 WSM gives it a performance advantage over any.17 HMR load, but the A17 reduces the gap. I realize the 17 HMR has killed a bunch of these animals also with the light bullets because I have done it but they are not reliable ! Moral dilema: My 17 HMR remington is under factory recall. The .17 WSM cartridge case is 1.2 inches long vs. the .17 HMR at 1.058 inches. One thing came to light from the videos, and that's the much larger energy dump into the bodies with the 17 WSM vs the 17 HMR. Pushing a 17-grain spitzer bullet to 2550 fps, the blazing new rimfire gave both velocity and trajectory that had been previously unattainable in a rimfire cartridge, though the discontinued 5mm Remington Rimfire Magnum wasn't all that far behind. Muzzlelover Member. If you work in construction, you may already know the .17 WSM casing is based on a .27 caliber nail gun case used to set nails in concrete. Quick numbers: (MPBR is for gophers: vertical target size of 3″). Designed and produced in 2002, the 17 Hornady Magnum Rimfire is pretty new in terms of cartridges, but there is an even newer kid on the block. Just because your new rifle and cartridge is better on paper than your buddy’s, doesn’t mean that you’ll outperform them in the field and you might end up dealing with growing pains. None come close to matching the low per-shot costs of.22 LR, but all shoot rings around it. Mag. Today we will be discussing the advantages and disadvantages of 17 HMR vs 22 LR. Sep … This is a substantially larger case. Availability. I haven't sent it in because Remington's deal is shit. As for other options one of the bigger .22 centerfire cartridges (bigger than the Hornet) would be a good choice. In my opinion it is a 200-yard rifle, and that range can be extended a bit under good conditions. The .17 HMR casing is a necked-down .22 Magnum case set to take a .17 caliber bullet. As illustrated in the chart, .17 HMR Hornady Magnum Rimfire rounds - on average - achieve a velocity of about 2480 feet per second (fps) while .17 WSM Winchester Super Magnum rounds travel at a velocity of 3000 fps. 2 — .17 HMR: 0 .17 WSM: 2. vs. .300 WSM• .223 Remington vs. .22-250 Remington, E-mail your comments/questions about this site to: EmediaHunter@nrahq.org, For questions/comments about American Hunter magazine, please e-mail:Publications@nrahq.org, You can contact the NRA via phone at: NRA Member Programs1-800-672-3888, To advertise on American Hunter, visit nramediakit.com for more information. These options are essentially the same thing with one of them being a registered trademark while the other’s are not. Wlfdg Sergeant. Buy Ammunition > Rimfire > 17 HMR - Gun City are the leading firearms experts in New Zealand. The 17HMR costs 20 cents only, whereas 17 WSM costs 30 cents. Oct 17, 2016 – I stumbled across the .17 WSM rimfire cartridge after researching .17 … for $999, Ruger roughly half that, and Volquartsen near double the price… 5. I have both as well as a few 17 HMR's and with the cost of WSM and HMR ammo being nearly the same, I'll take the harder hitting 17 WSM over the HMR every time. A .17 HMR 20-gr equivalent is 2,450fps, so 550fps better for the WSM. Undoubtedly, the majority of our hunting careers were sparked by an experience with the .22 Long Rifle cartridge; it has become a ubiquitous icon in the youth of any shooting upbringing. Minuteman. If your rifle doesn’t like either the 20 or 25 grain Winchester rounds. If I remember correctly it costs as much as center fire ammo. Volquartsen Begins Shipping Their Semi-Auto 17WSM Rifles. The wind is quite the issue at much past 150. The 17 HMR is an extremely fast little round, and within 100 yards it can be extremely fatal even for a larger animal if the bullet is placed in the right position. Want to do your own MPBR calculations? With a 100-yard zero, it drops only 4.3 inches at 200 yards. This “unleaded” version is impressively flat-shooting. I still have a couple 17 HMR rifles but they rarely ever get shot and the only 22 mag I have left is a PMR30 pistol. There are many differences between the .17 HMR with .17 WSM, such as .17 WSM sending a 20-grain bullet out at 914mph and the 17 HMR sending the bullet at 774mph. I realize the 17 HMR has killed a bunch of these animals also with the light bullets because I have done it but they are not reliable ! Friday, June 28, 2019. I should have my ass kicked, because the same place my uncle bought his 17 wsm has another one and it is at least 30 bucks cheaper than everywhere else. Ammo costs per box of 50 run $12 to $13 for 17 HMR, about $1 less for .22 WMR, and $2 to $3 more for .17 WSM. I needed 3/10 th mil elevation on the HMR, with the WSM still being point of aim, point of impact. A decade after the introduction of the .17 HMR, Winchester threw its hat in the .17-caliber rimfire ring with the release of the .17 Winchester Super Magnum. The point of this comparison is not to determine a performance "winner," but to see how close … The .17 HMR also has more ammunition choices; with options from Hornady, Remington, Winchester, CCI, Federal and Browning. By Adriel Adriel has been hunting all his life, enjoys shooting 3 gun, is a trainer for Project Mapleseed and tries to apply a practical point of views to his reviews. It's not the most common, though (if you do not reload). The .17 HMR cartridge is shorter and has less velocity and bullet weight than the .17 WSM cartridge. I have a .17 HMR and have used it successfully on rabbits, prairie dogs and have seen it used on a Bobcat. V-Max® Hornady describes their 20-grain V-Max® Varmint Express ®as the bridge between the potent but limited .17 HMR and the centerfire .17 Hornet, another wildcat cartridge derived … But one thing is common, you have to buy a perfect gun scope to shoot accurately. The rim diameter for the .17 WSM is .333 inch while the .17 HMR is .286. Let us compare the CCI .22LR Stinger vs CCI .17HMR TNT to keep things fair. The simple rimfire design, coupled with a … The.17 WSM is not as solidly established but, based on potential, certainly should be. On paper the .17 HMR beat the .22 Magnum like a rented mule – 2,500 fps compared to 1,900 of the old round. … I did a quick look with google and the .22 Hornet is far superior. Much of that can be attributed to the velocity of the of the .17 HMR 17 grain bullet which is the fastest of the four compared here at a velocity of 2,550(FPS). Find the Hunting Gear guy on YouTube, © When the trigger broke, I was elated to see the dog roll over. 17 WSM vs 17 Hornet. Assuming a 200-yard zero for both cartridges, and using a 20-grain bullet for comparative purposes, the .17 Remington will hit about two inches higher at 300 yards than will the .17 Hornet (4.6 inches of drop for the Remington vs. 6.4 inches for the Hornet), yet in the hands of an experienced rifleman, that difference can easily be accounted for. The .17 HMR also has more ammunition choices; with options from Hornady, Remington, Winchester, CCI, Federal and Browning. Believe it or not, the .17 WSM round is based on the 0.27 nail-gun case used by builders worldwide. The .17 HMR has less long-range capability than the WSM, but more to offer by way of bullet selection. That’s an extra 40 yards of non-adjusted range. Snow article on the Winchester 1885, Mossberg 510 Super Bantam 20 Gauge Review, 17 WSM 20 grain: 3000 FPS: .185BC: MPBR: 205 yards Energy: 400 ft-lbs, 17 WSM 25 grain: 2600 FPS: .23BC: MPBR: 186 yards Energy: 375 ft-lbs, 17 HMR 17 grain: 2550 FPS: .128BC: MPBR: 165 yards Energy: 245 ft-lbs. of energy. Both get 2800-2900 fps, the A17 with 17-grain bullets and the WSM with 20s. That makes for some difference in the field, with the HMR granting an MPBR of 165 yards, whereas the WSM can do it with 205 yards (I’m running calculations for gopher-sized targets). Cantaloupe shot with WSM and HMR Tags: None. Email this Page. Driving a 20-grain 0.172-inch bullet to 3000 fps, the .17 WSM sits at the top of the heap as far as rimfire cartridges are concerned, and comes in just 500 fps or so behind the .17 Hornet. The .17 Hornady Magnum Rimfire, introduced by Hornady in 2002, is nothing more than the .22 WMR necked down to hold 0.172-inch bullets. 912 Posts . That could be the difference between a hit and a miss. 17 hmr vs 17 wsm. If your choice was between the hmr and a wsm, the wsm wins hands down. American Eagle 17WSM Ammo Now Shipping. In spite of the intensity of the South Dakota sun, there was activity out around 300 yards; I got the rifle steady and gave the appropriate amount of elevation for 315 yards. I love my CZ455 in HMR. About$1-$2 more per box than hmr. Thread starter nick338; Start date Aug 5, 2020; Forums. To put this into perspective, a Boeing 737 commercial airliner travels at a cruising speed of 600 mph, or 880 fps. The .17 HMR loadings and/or rifles appear to be more consistently accurate. I think it will depend on a couple of parameters. The prairie dog town extended to the horizon, yet the closer, easier shots had all but ceased to exist. Looking at field performance, I find the WSM cartridge a better choice for the longer shots. That’s an extra 40 yards of non-adjusted range. The >17 is usually loaded with a .17 gr bullet. And the other difference is .17 WSM can shoot around 165 yards, and .17 HMR is 205 yards. This is the big difference here. Privacy Policy   •   Contact Us   •   Warnings   •   FAQs   •  © 2020 National Rifle Association of America, Remington Model 700 American Hunter Rifle Project, Women On Target® Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. 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Ammo costs per box of 50 run $12 to $13 for 17 HMR, about $1 less for .22 WMR, and $2 to $3 more for .17 WSM. More impressive is the wind drift difference. Watched that already. It shoots very flat , comes in 25 gr. Philip Massaro May 18, 2017 With lighter, faster projectiles, .17-caliber rimfires such as the .17 WSM and .17 HMR offer some advantages over more established rimfires like the .22 Long Rifle. The 17 WSM (“Winchester Super Magnum”) is the fastest, flattest-shooting rimfire round you can buy. Find the Hunting Gear guy on YouTube. Mag.• .404 Jeffery vs. .416 Rigby• .243 Winchester vs. 6mm Creedmoor• .300 PRC vs. .300 Win. Both have similar levels of carnage, with the edge going to the WSM. If you love staying at the leading edge of technology, this is it but be prepared to pay for being at the bleeding edge. Test No. If it isn't sold already. Developed by Hornady ammunition maker in 2002, the .17 Hornady Magnum Rimfire (HMR) took the target and varmint shooting world by storm by becoming the most aggressive production rimfire commercially available. Zeroed at 100 yards, the 17-grain load drops just 2.7 inches at 150 yards, making life difficult for squirrels, rabbits and woodchucks. Ammo costs per box of 50 run $12 to $13 for 17 HMR, about $1 less for.22 WMR, and $2 to $3 more for.17 WSM. Ammo selection: Only Winchester makes the ammo so far. Having owned the 17 hmr Id rather shoot the 17 hornet. The F-17 is the first gas-piston operated rimfire firearm designed to handle the higher pressures of this cartridge. This is more like 223 Rem terminal results. This rim dimension may be a problem for the cartridge. For the hunter looking for a speedy rimfire, which of these cartridges will better serve? So, the cost difference is negligible for these cartridges. 17 wsm vs 17 hmr vs 17 mach 2, 17mm m2 hmr wsm, can a 17 hmr be fired from a 17 wsm, can the 17 hmr be safely fired in a 17 wsm ?, hmr vs wsm. Winchester states that the .17 WSM round is capable of 3,000fps velocity for 400ft/lb energy from the 20-gr V-Max bullet. It was my first time shooting the .17 WSM, though I had spent a decent amount of time with the .17 HMR, I hadn’t had the opportunity at these distances before. Browning has developed a reputation for building top of the line, quality … I'll keep shooting my 22-6mm with 80g bullets going 3550 for 1000 yard range, or 22-250 with 55g bullets going 3680 and putting them through the same hole at 100 yards. Loading and I think that's very important. None come close to matching the low per-shot costs of.22 LR, but all shoot rings around it. Both the WSM and HMR can be made a fool of windy conditions, but as time of flight is a definite factor in the wind deflection values, the WSM makes the best of a situation. 17 WSM has yet to be firmly established and if none of the other ammo manufacturers end up making it, you might end up with a rifle or ammo that is discontinued or only supported by Winchester. Still not sure about these magnum rimfire rounds? By Adriel Adriel has been hunting all his life, enjoys shooting 3 gun, is a trainer for Project Mapleseed and tries to apply a practical point of views to his reviews. We will also be considering the price vs benefits test among the 22 LR and 17 HMR. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. Has an even flatter trajectory, more energy, and has better range. The 17 WSM is more expensive between 17 HMR and 17 WSM. vs. .300 Win. Here are some factory figures based on a 100 yard zero and a line of sight 1.5" over bore (a scoped rifle):.17 HMR, 17 grain V-Max = +0.1" at 50 yards, 0 at 100 yards, -2.6" at 150 yards, … The initial sales of 17 HMR rifles were so strong that the demand for ammunition far outstripped supply for the first couple of years. Currently, rifles firing the 17 WSM are the Savage B-Mag bolt action, heavy barrel B-mag target edition. I came away from the hunt with an appreciation for both cartridges. Joined: Oct 29, 2012 Messages: 59. Adriel has been hunting all his life, enjoys shooting 3 gun, is a trainer for Project Mapleseed and tries to apply a practical point of views to his reviews. The initial sales of 17 HMR rifles was so strong that the demand for ammunition far outstripped supply for the first couple of years. vs. .458 Lott• 7mm Rem. Thread Tools: Show Printable Version. I would get a marlin xt 17 hmr they run about $250. Hornady offered two loads: the 17-grain load stated above, and a 20-grain load moving at 2350 fps. DakotaDeer, I have not found much (if any) noticeable difference between the A17 .17 HMR ammo and .17 WSM ammo on varmints in my rifles. There are many differences between the .17 HMR with .17 WSM, such as .17 WSM sending a 20-grain bullet out at 914mph and the 17 HMR sending the bullet at 774mph. 17 HMR VS 17 HORNET I like the 17 Hornet it does something crazy like 3600 fps Any input on ether the 17 HMR or the 17 HORNET Thanks….. Oct 10, 2012 #2 Hunter2678 Well-Known Member. The 17 hornet has even more energy, greater range, and flatter trajectory. 2020 The Hunting Gear Guy, John B. However, this little amount can have a great effect in the long run. Maybe Vervet monkey up to 100 yds or so. The 17 WSM shoots flatter and has more energy at all distances and substantially more once you start getting past 100 yds than either the 22 mag or 17 HMR. With a 10 mph crosswind, at 100 yards the WSM will drift 1.6 inches vs the HMR at 3.1 inches over. And the other difference is .17 WSM can shoot around 165 yards, and .17 HMR is 205 yards. .17 HMR is a relatively modern cartridge offering. 17 hmr vs 17 wsm. The .17 WSM is not as solidly established but, based on potential, certainly should be. Between the two I'd go for the Hornet unless there's a .17 HMR you really like. Online Training Access. That said, PD’s out to 400 or so is a blast. 22LR vs 22WMR vs 223 Remington. At this point, 17 WSM is where a lot of new rounds and rifles find themselves: encountering teething problems and in that “will it become a thing or not” area. Though both bullets are highly susceptible to wind deflection, shooters enjoyed the higher velocity, and the .17 HMR proved to be a success from its introduction. We've got you covered.• .450 Nitro Express vs. .470 Nitro Express• 350 Legend vs. .35 Remington• .280 Ackley Improved vs. 7mm Rem. Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Muzzlelover, Apr 3, 2013. Mag.• .30-06 Springfield vs. .270 Winchester• 6.5 Creedmoor vs. 7mm-08 Remington• 8x57 Mauser vs. .318 Westley Richards• .358 Winchester vs. .350 Remington Magnum• .22-250 Remington vs. .220 Swift• .270 Winchester vs. .270 WSM• .26 Nosler vs. 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum• .458 Win. If your shots are inside of 150 yards, the .17 HMR is an effective cartridge, but I like the additional velocity of the .17 WSM. Mag. Ruger Model 77/17, Winchester 1885 Low Wall single shot, and the semi-automatic Franklin Armory F-17. .17 HMR. The body diameter is .269 while the .17 HMR is .238 inch. Mag. In fact, depending where you live, you might not be able to find any at all. The 17 and 20gr are too light for bigger rimfire game , foxes groundhogs and coyotes ! The .17 HMR therefore has more velocity and a flatter trajectory. Part of that is by design: The .17 HMR was built for varmint and predator hunting, not primarily for plinking or competition. Quite obviously, Winchester is the biggest producer of the .17 WSM, offering three loads: the 20-grain load at 3000 fps, a 25-grain load using the Hornady V-Max bullet at 2600 fps and a lead-free 15-grain load at 3300 fps. The .17 HMR. I have shot approximately 700 rounds of the ammo, … The furthest coyote I’ve shot was 135. Our friendly experienced staff can help you directly online! The 17 Winchester Super Mag (WSM), has been in production since 2013 and is attempting to cut out a piece of the marketplace for a faster 17, and since the cases are made from nail blanks, they’re pretty inexpensive (very similar in cost to 17 HMR.) Between a hit and a 20-grain load drifts only 2 inches and carries an 230! 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